Saturday, June 14, 2008

Chinese Solutions for Handheld devices

Palm OS


[top]Character Display and Input


[top]CJKOS


[top]Where to get it


CJKOS is one of the more popular solutions for providing Chinese Support on a Palm OS device (e.g. Tungesten E (E2), T|X, Treo 650/680/etc), and is available from http://www.dyts.com/en/index.html. There is a trial version available, and it is still usable after that's expired, it merely comes up with an annoying 'nag' screen with more and more frequency.

As it stands, there seems to have been no development done with regards to CJKOS since January 2007, and there has been correspondence that suggest there will be no further work done on it.

If you purchase a Palm device in mainland China (and other Chinese speaking territories?) it will probably have CJKOS and the handwriting input software PenPower installed as default. This can often come installed in the ROM (as opposed to the RAM), and there have been some people who have had issues as they didn't realise this, and thus had two versions of CJKOS installed at once. If you're not sure, check and see if you have CJKOS somewhere in the main home screen of your Palm Device. If it's not there, check and see if it's in preferences. If it's not there (and you can't read or write Chinese on your device) it's probably safe to assume you don't have it.

[top]How to use it


For the most part, the instructions provided with CJKOS are fine. It's possible to install more fonts or input methods or whatever you need later on, and the trial version gives you access to all of them.

Please note that GB2312 is Simplified, and Big5 is Traditional. If you have a reasonably modern device, then you'll want the High Res fonts. If you don't (e.g. your device does not have a colour screen, or what have you), then you'll need the low-res fonts.

If you enjoy browsing Chinese Websites on your computer, and want to be able to do this on your PDA as well (this only really applies to the T|X, Lifedrive and Treo devices), then you *must* install the 'Unicode Convert table' for whichever character set you want.

Once you've installed CJKOS, switch to an application that allows you to type stuff. The included Memo application is good for this. One there, if you have a Treo press option (the black button) + space to get to the keyboard, otherwise go to the menu, select Edit, and then Keyboard.

If it doesn't come up with something that looks like it could be Chinese, check and see if you've enabled the keyboard under the third tab of the CJKOS program (and that you've enabled CJKOS full stop). If you've done both of these, post on the forums for some slightly more personal help.

[top]Conflicts and cases where CJKOS doesn't work


CJKOS *does not* work with Documents To Go, excepting versions 7 and 8 (or 8 and 9?).

If you want to use CJKOS, and still be able to have non-English European languages on your device, you are probably out of luck. Due to the way CJKOS works (which is quite technical), if you have, say, the word divorcee, but with the proper é, then it will convert from divorcée to divorc(..) where the (..) represents a single Chinese character, thus making it anywhere between hard and totally impossible to use non-English European languages together with CJKOS.

However, if you do install CJKOS and find that it's converted all your accents to characters, the easy way to revert is to simply turn off CJKOS. There, at present, doesn't seem to be a solution or workaround for having CJKOS and non-English European languages at the same time.

Additionally, when synching Chinese Characters written using CJKOS to your desktop, you will need to either have your regional settings set to Chinese PRC (or Taiwan, if you're using Traditional Characters), or use AppLocal on Windows in order to be able to see them. Otherwise they will appear as garbage.

Finally, CJKOS was developed primarily to write Chinese. While it supports display of Japanese Kanji and Kana, there's no way to write Japanese Kanji using it, and as such you'll need a separate program if you plan on using Japanese a lot. You can write Kata-/Hiri- gana, but there's no way to convert them to Kanji. J-OS (http://simple-palm.com/) is one option, but be aware that the page is in Japanese, and there have been reports that you need a Japanese Bank Account for it.


[top]Handwriting Input


[top]PenPower


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Note: The interface is entirely in Chinese, and it needs CJKOS to function.

[top]Palms and Plecodict


The popular dictionary software for Palm, Plecodict, comes with character display and input built in. Therefore you do not need any extra software to run Plecodict. However, you will need it if you want to use Chinese in other applications - ie email, SMS, web browsing, etc.

[top]Windows Mobile / CE



CE Star - Perhaps the most useful tool to enable the use and reading of Chinese characters on the windows mobile device. Its pretty easy to use, and even if you dont use the SIP/IME you can still read Chinese on your device. It does however conflict with Pleco 2 at the moment and it also has issues with MS Reader. This is not free but can be found at this site http://www.ce-star.com/

Monster Chinese - Is perhaps the alternative to CE Star. Its just as easy to use and has many different SIPs/IMEs that can be used to type in Chinese. There have been rumblings of trouble using this program on the newer windows devices but this is has yet to be confirmed This can be found here http://www.mactiontech.com/english/monster_chinese.asp

D-ear input is a nice and very easy to use. Their are two that I know of the 10 key input and the full keyboard. I have not found any conflicts using this program so far but its not one I use that often. (Can be found for free at this site http://www.d-ear.com/English/newsview.asp?id=174 (thanks to Oulaian)

Wednesday, June 11, 2008

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Practicing Chinese with Chinese is impossible!!!

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I know exactly what you are talking about. I don't like it either when a Chinese conversation is
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Audio file: please criticise my pronunciation

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Pinyin writes it like this:...

Pinyin writes it like this: 我(wǒ)也(yě)想(xiǎng)买(mǎi)笔(bǐ)记(jì)本(běn)

I heard it spoken with these tones:
2-2-1-3-4-1-3

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Audio file: please criticise my pronunciation

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I am very impressed with your pronunciation. It's...

I am very impressed with your pronunciation. It's not that rusty at all. But yes, those 2nd and
3rd tones can be tricky. Quest gave good pointers. Otherwise, keep up the good work ! :mrgreen: 8)

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Tuesday, June 10, 2008

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New Antiwave Podcast 人民大会谈4 - “东南西北”宋以朗 (下)

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Re: New Antiwave Podcast BBC的新革命

Any way to put these in a separate subforum, so that they are together (1), and so that they don't
fill up the page of recent topics?

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How could I get better at tones?

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I agree with the above posters - the only way to...

I agree with the above posters - the only way to master tones is to learn them from the beginning,
and to slow down! when you speak.

Once you've got the basic hang of tones (as in, you can...

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Sunday, June 8, 2008

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Which books do Chinese use to learn Classical Chinese?

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Re: Which books do Chinese use to learn Classical Chinese?

Thanks for the reply, gato!

Lucky me, that's the ancient Chinese dictionary I just happened to decide on after poring over the
selection at the bookstore for such a long time! There was another one...

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Which books do Chinese use to learn Classical Chinese?

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Which books do Chinese use to learn Classical Chinese?

I was just at the 西安图书大厦 today looking for Classical Chinese textbooks, specifically,
the kind that has some simple texts in ancient language with annotation and a modern translation.
But I could...

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Business license

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Image text translation

Hello, I am planning on buying some products from a Chinese company but am slightly apprehensions.
The contact I have in China is a tenuous one and I am slightly put off by the fact that the...

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Saturday, June 7, 2008

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The Revival of Traditional Characters is Coming?

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'Jianti' and 'fanti' are equally good

China Daily columnist Raymond Zhou gives his view about 繁体字 vs 简体字
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2008-03/22/content_6558770.htm

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1314 and other numbers expressing love

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I think this is very creative way of Chinese...

I think this is very creative way of Chinese people to use short message. I have seen they use
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Friday, June 6, 2008

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Using 那 instead of 哪

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Re: Using 那 instead of 哪

This sounds reasonable to me, I can't deny this possibility.
Same language put in different environments can result different changes.
So far, I just tried to rule out the possibility of the...

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Using 那 instead of 哪

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Logics is the same both for Chinese and foreigners. As matter of fact, the logics as a subject of
science was "imported" from the West.

So I think, what I need to do is to add facts and data to...

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Using 那 instead of 哪

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I think it's been fruitful discussion, though I don't agree to the assumption above.
If that be true, the percentage of the usage should be same all over the Chinese circle including
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Using 那 instead of 哪

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It definately a mistake if it is in honework or exams.

But in every-day life, many people even native use them incorrectly, of which both carelessness
and lack of knowledge may be the cause.

Same...

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hanzi list ?

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Thanks for the list. I like this list too (3,000...

Thanks for the list. I like this list too (3,000 most common Chinese characters with translations,
pronunciation and some examples):

http://www.zein.se/patrick/3000char.html

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Thursday, June 5, 2008

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I'm Giving Up On The Import Feature!

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Re: I'm Giving Up On The Import Feature!

Thanks Luobot - I hadn't even thought it might be checking Char against Pinyin definitions...so
thats why it runs so slow ! :wink:

This is a little toooo thorough for me. I've thousands of lines of...

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I'm Giving Up On The Import Feature!

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Re: I'm Giving Up On The Import Feature!

I'm having the same trials and tribulations with importing data.

Am onto version 0.7.0 b3 but it still wont read in my file (in S P D format, tab delimited).

It's failing on at least 50% of lines,...

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Duelling definitions

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Re: Duelling definitions

I agree with Skylee that adding an entry "好要看=depending on" wouldn't be beneficial. It would
give some indication of meaning but could also be misleading. When translating, context is all.
"还要看"...

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Duelling definitions

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Re: Duelling definitions

I agree that 还要 would be better deleted as I don't think the definition of "even more" is
helpful. The key verb is surely 看 while 还要 as you correctly say is functioning adverbally.

The sentence...

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Wednesday, June 4, 2008

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Why Do You Learn Chinese?(ple help me with the survey)

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Why I learn Chinese

1. Because I'm interested in the cuisine. Learning Chinese helps me order food at Chinese
restaurants around the world.

2. I am a retired person who recently bought a Chinese painting and now I...

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Poll: Why learning spoken Chinese as a foreigner is easy and hard

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Has anyone seen Chinese translation clips of Star...

Has anyone seen Chinese translation clips of Star Wars on the internet?

Someone took the Mandarin subtitled version of a Star Wars movie and translated them BACK into
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Tuesday, June 3, 2008

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Online pinyin dictionary with audio pinyin prnunciation

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Online dictionaries

One terrific resource that I have found is very complete and constantly evolving with more and
more features. You can translate English to Mandarin (simplified or traditional) and Mandarin to...

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 22nd July 2005, 07:57 PM

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Pinyin used in Taiwan?

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. People are using computers more, so the fact...

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People are using computers more, so the fact that the traditional characters are more complicated
to write should be neither here nor there, as long as you can recognize the appropriate
character...

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Pinyin used in Taiwan?

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On Kaohsiung road signs - yes, this city is...

On Kaohsiung road signs - yes, this city is green, thus the switch to tongyong pinyin on road
signs. I shouldn't complain about this because not so long ago you could travel along one road and
see a...

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Pinyin used in Taiwan?

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I can't remember when the government here first...

I can't remember when the government here first decided to use tongyong pinyin, but I'd guess at
about 3 years ago because I remember getting in a stink about it at the time.

I seem to remember part...

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Monday, June 2, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 3rd July 2004, 02:56 AM

Replies: 55

Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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Posted By sfr@rcn.com

Meng LeLan-- It's very kind of your to...

Meng LeLan--

It's very kind of your to understand the pain of a divorce, but that's not what has put me off
this topic. It's the predominantly masculine point of view. As I said before, no one is...

Forum: Speaking and Listening 2nd July 2004, 03:46 AM

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Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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Lu and Meng LeLan--This topic is suffering from...

Lu and Meng LeLan--This topic is suffering from TMT (too much testosterone) and I think I'm going
to stop watching it. Also, the discussion is entirely from a male perspective. There has been no...

Forum: Speaking and Listening 1st July 2004, 04:06 AM

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Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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Meng Lelan--since Sunyata is arguing about...

Meng Lelan--since Sunyata is arguing about numbers and since figures don't lie but liars figure, I
thought I'd just watch him hoist on his own petard. (Two clichés in one sentence--not bad.) As
for...

Forum: Speaking and Listening 1st July 2004, 02:05 AM

Replies: 55

Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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Posted By sfr@rcn.com

>>Where are all the white girls here? Don't...

>>Where are all the white girls here? Don't let him get away with it ladies

As far as I'm concerned, he's just trolling.

Sandra

Forum: Speaking and Listening 30th June 2004, 04:31 AM

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Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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Posted By sfr@rcn.com

I don't know why I'm wading back into this topic,...

I don't know why I'm wading back into this topic, but here goes. I haven't done any research to
back this up, but, given the two cultures we're discussing, perhaps a factor in the
disproportionate...

Forum: Speaking and Listening 25th June 2004, 01:17 AM

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Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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OK, I shouldn't have waded into this male wet...

OK, I shouldn't have waded into this male wet dream. Enjoy yourselves, guys.

Forum: Speaking and Listening 24th June 2004, 01:23 PM

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Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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Posted By sfr@rcn.com

This all sounds so familiar. I'm an American Jew....

This all sounds so familiar. I'm an American Jew. Most of my high school and college friends and I
believed that Jewish men were unattractive--too small, not athletic, incapable of being sexy,
etc....

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 24th March 2006, 12:32 AM

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Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Aww, I must've missed that. Good look semantic...

Aww, I must've missed that. Good look semantic nuance

Forum: Speaking and Listening 23rd March 2006, 09:51 PM

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Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Posted By nipponman

Thanks bomaci, your additions make sense.

Thanks bomaci, your additions make sense.

Forum: Speaking and Listening 22nd March 2006, 08:35 AM

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Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Ok, I gave this one a...

Ok, I gave this one a try

走馬看花

走馬是人騎著馬跑的意思。看花﹐﹖(釆國)是真的看花。這裡花是這兒﹖(擬�
��)的意思。走馬看花就是一個人騎著馬﹐很快地看一個﹖(擬人)的意思。﹖(�
��前)有一個教會教會(﹖﹖)的人。因為他的腿有一(gar)瘸。一直找不到一個漂
亮女人做他的妻子。他(you gar dao qi2), 就擎他的朋友﹖...

Forum: Speaking and Listening 21st March 2006, 09:52 PM

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Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Posted By nipponman

Then I guess I'll have to change what I think zi4...

Then I guess I'll have to change what I think zi4 sounds like:-? .

Thanks for all your help semantic nuance, I'll try to do another one tonight if I get the time.
P.s. Hashirikata, this thread was...

Forum: Speaking and Listening 21st March 2006, 07:33 PM

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Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Posted By nipponman

I noticed that too (to my utter amazement) and I...

I noticed that too (to my utter amazement) and I kept searching for an appropriate feng2li4, but
couldn't find one.

For some reason 自 sounded like si4 to me. :-?

This structure makes sense, but...

Forum: Speaking and Listening 21st March 2006, 08:53 AM

Replies: 62

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Posted By nipponman

Okay, I've been talking about doin this for a...

Okay, I've been talking about doin this for a while now, hopefully no ones done this one before,
this is about contradicting yourself basically, saying your shield is the strongest in the
world,...

Forum: Speaking and Listening 16th March 2006, 08:50 AM

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Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Posted By nipponman

Hmm, interesting nei1:mrgreen:

Hmm, interesting nei1:mrgreen:

Forum: Speaking and Listening 16th March 2006, 01:24 AM

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Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Posted By nipponman

Interesting, I hope hashirikata won't mind taking...

Interesting, I hope hashirikata won't mind taking the focus away from this thread for a second
but, how is it pronounced? I can't read zhu yin:oops:

Forum: Speaking and Listening 15th March 2006, 11:57 PM

Replies: 62

Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Posted By nipponman

Heh:mrgreen: , ㄋㄟyou3 shen2me yi4si?

Heh:mrgreen: ,

ㄋㄟyou3 shen2me yi4si?

Forum: Speaking and Listening 15th March 2006, 07:35 PM

Replies: 62

Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Posted By nipponman

semantic nuance, You can't just take all the...

semantic nuance,

You can't just take all the fables like that! Leave some for the rest of us! sheesh:mrgreen:
::Just kidding:: good work!

Forum: Speaking and Listening 15th March 2006, 01:50 AM

Replies: 62

Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Posted By nipponman

I tried the fifth, and I think 13th, but never...

I tried the fifth, and I think 13th, but never got around to asking any questions, I'm on it now
though!

Forum: Speaking and Listening 14th March 2006, 09:34 PM

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Listening Exercise (and 成语)

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Posted By nipponman

I knew that chengyu looked familiar!:mrgreen:...

I knew that chengyu looked familiar!:mrgreen:

Seriously though, I should listen to those more often

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Sunday, June 1, 2008

Chinese Online Class - Chinese Lesson

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 18th April 2004, 04:13 PM

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Practicing Chinese with Chinese is impossible!!!

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well, leaving the forum for a while, as i've been...

well, leaving the forum for a while, as i've been so busy these days, but i'm afraid i can't agree
with your point.
we and i think chinese is the most beuatiful language in the world, and it can...

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